Comments on: Racism in action http://brigidkeely.com/wordpress/?p=166 Words, words, words, art. Tue, 07 Sep 2010 20:06:55 -0700 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Brigid http://brigidkeely.com/wordpress/?p=166&cpage=1#comment-714 Brigid Fri, 25 Apr 2008 22:01:10 +0000 http://brigidkeely.com/wordpress/?p=166#comment-714 Hi, Elaine! Thanks for joining us over here. I'm pretty against hunting in general, however if one is going for a retro jungle hero theme, I would much rather The Wilds Of Untamed Nature were represented by animals instead of human beings who are already marginalized. There's a lot of stuff wrong with the images used, and frankly, I'm glad you pointed out the violence in general and the implied animal abuse in particular. Also, I can totally see the argument that the white, blonde, wasp-waisted, etc woman used is "ironic." Much as I know feminists who wear frilly aprons or have June Cleaver refrigerator magnets for ironic reasons, I could very well see using a similar image on a feminist book. I mean, you still have the whole white-centric default thing, but still.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('714','Brigid'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('714','Brigid','Hi, Elaine! Thanks for joining us over here.\r\n\r\nI\'m pretty against hunting in general, however if one is going for a retro jungle hero theme, I would much rather The Wilds Of Untamed Nature were represented by animals instead of human beings who are already marginalized. There\'s a lot of stuff wrong with the images used, and frankly, I\'m glad you pointed out the violence in general and the implied animal abuse in particular. \r\n\r\nAlso, I can totally see the argument that the white, blonde, wasp-waisted, etc woman used is \"ironic.\" Much as I know feminists who wear frilly aprons or have June Cleaver refrigerator magnets for ironic reasons, I could very well see using a similar image on a feminist book. I mean, you still have the whole white-centric default thing, but still.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Hi, Elaine! Thanks for joining us over here.

I’m pretty against hunting in general, however if one is going for a retro jungle hero theme, I would much rather The Wilds Of Untamed Nature were represented by animals instead of human beings who are already marginalized. There’s a lot of stuff wrong with the images used, and frankly, I’m glad you pointed out the violence in general and the implied animal abuse in particular.

Also, I can totally see the argument that the white, blonde, wasp-waisted, etc woman used is “ironic.” Much as I know feminists who wear frilly aprons or have June Cleaver refrigerator magnets for ironic reasons, I could very well see using a similar image on a feminist book. I mean, you still have the whole white-centric default thing, but still.Reply – Quote

]]> By: Matt http://brigidkeely.com/wordpress/?p=166&cpage=1#comment-713 Matt Fri, 25 Apr 2008 20:57:25 +0000 http://brigidkeely.com/wordpress/?p=166#comment-713 I would draw a distinction between image choices which are damaging to society and image choices which are merely unpalatable to myself as an individual.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('713','Matt'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('713','Matt','I would draw a distinction between image choices which are damaging to society and image choices which are merely unpalatable to myself as an individual.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> I would draw a distinction between image choices which are damaging to society and image choices which are merely unpalatable to myself as an individual.Reply – Quote

]]> By: Elaine Vigneault http://brigidkeely.com/wordpress/?p=166&cpage=1#comment-712 Elaine Vigneault Fri, 25 Apr 2008 19:44:09 +0000 http://brigidkeely.com/wordpress/?p=166#comment-712 "why not just use ANIMALS?" No. Not OK. The images are racist and shouldn't have been used. But there are other problems with the images as well, including the violence against animals. More problems: the hero is a white, blond, beautiful woman in a skimpy outfit. She rescues a white man. The man uses guns. There are LOTS of problems with the images.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('712','Elaine Vigneault'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('712','Elaine Vigneault','\"why not just use ANIMALS?\"\r\n\r\nNo. Not OK.\r\nThe images are racist and shouldn\'t have been used. But there are other problems with the images as well, including the violence against animals. More problems: the hero is a white, blond, beautiful woman in a skimpy outfit. She rescues a white man. The man uses guns. There are LOTS of problems with the images.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> “why not just use ANIMALS?”

No. Not OK.
The images are racist and shouldn’t have been used. But there are other problems with the images as well, including the violence against animals. More problems: the hero is a white, blond, beautiful woman in a skimpy outfit. She rescues a white man. The man uses guns. There are LOTS of problems with the images.Reply – Quote

]]> By: It’s A Jungle In Here : Elaine Vigneault http://brigidkeely.com/wordpress/?p=166&cpage=1#comment-711 It’s A Jungle In Here : Elaine Vigneault Fri, 25 Apr 2008 19:41:13 +0000 http://brigidkeely.com/wordpress/?p=166#comment-711 [...] Rebecca, and Feminiocracy. More: Galling Gala, The Rotund, Angry Black Woman, Ottermatic, brigidkeely. addthis_url = 'http%3A%2F%2Fwww.elainevigneault.com%2Fits-a-jungle-in-here.html'; addthis_title = [...]<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('711','It’s A Jungle In Here : Elaine Vigneault'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('711','It’s A Jungle In Here : Elaine Vigneault','[...] Rebecca, and Feminiocracy. More: Galling Gala, The Rotund, Angry Black Woman, Ottermatic, brigidkeely. addthis_url = \'http%3A%2F%2Fwww.elainevigneault.com%2Fits-a-jungle-in-here.html\'; addthis_title = [...]'); return false;">Quote</a></div> [...] Rebecca, and Feminiocracy. More: Galling Gala, The Rotund, Angry Black Woman, Ottermatic, brigidkeely. addthis_url = ‘http%3A%2F%2Fwww.elainevigneault.com%2Fits-a-jungle-in-here.html’; addthis_title = [...]Reply – Quote

]]> By: Brenna http://brigidkeely.com/wordpress/?p=166&cpage=1#comment-710 Brenna Fri, 25 Apr 2008 19:38:58 +0000 http://brigidkeely.com/wordpress/?p=166#comment-710 To base design so heavily on the title and not even reflect the chapter headings is a tetragenic kind of lame. Bad design, bad.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('710','Brenna'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('710','Brenna','To base design so heavily on the title and not even reflect the chapter headings is a tetragenic kind of lame.\r\n\r\nBad design, bad.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> To base design so heavily on the title and not even reflect the chapter headings is a tetragenic kind of lame.

Bad design, bad.Reply – Quote

]]> By: Brigid http://brigidkeely.com/wordpress/?p=166&cpage=1#comment-709 Brigid Fri, 25 Apr 2008 17:36:43 +0000 http://brigidkeely.com/wordpress/?p=166#comment-709 You know, my first thought was also "what about the Nazis?" There were a LOT of other things they could have used that WOULD have been funky and retro but not OMG RACIST. Also, the "jungle" angle is apparently important only because of the title of the book.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('709','Brigid'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('709','Brigid','You know, my first thought was also \"what about the Nazis?\" There were a LOT of other things they could have used that WOULD have been funky and retro but not OMG RACIST.\r\n\r\nAlso, the \"jungle\" angle is apparently important only because of the title of the book.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> You know, my first thought was also “what about the Nazis?” There were a LOT of other things they could have used that WOULD have been funky and retro but not OMG RACIST.

Also, the “jungle” angle is apparently important only because of the title of the book.Reply – Quote

]]> By: Matt http://brigidkeely.com/wordpress/?p=166&cpage=1#comment-708 Matt Fri, 25 Apr 2008 17:34:12 +0000 http://brigidkeely.com/wordpress/?p=166#comment-708 Yay! HTML!<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('708','Matt'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('708','Matt','Yay! HTML!'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Yay! HTML!Reply – Quote

]]> By: Matt http://brigidkeely.com/wordpress/?p=166&cpage=1#comment-707 Matt Fri, 25 Apr 2008 17:33:49 +0000 http://brigidkeely.com/wordpress/?p=166#comment-707 Holy fuck. Yeah, that's fairly insane. If they wanted to use pulpy, retro images of female empowerment, why not show a pulp heroine beating up on gangsters or Nazis? Or, hell, since apparently the whole "jungle" angle is important, why not just use ANIMALS? Leopards and snakes and such were pretty standard threats in all those old jungle adventure stories, and they'd fit the theme of the environment being the source of danger a lot better than human beings do. And, yeah, I ain't really seeing an "ironic portrayal of racism" thing happening in these images. The irony defense is not by itself illegitimate, but it has zero traction, here. Just fuckin CLUELESS. Amazing. (Hey, does this thing support [b]BBCode[/b]? Or <b>HTML</b>? I hate using caps for emphasis.)<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('707','Matt'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('707','Matt','Holy fuck. Yeah, that\'s fairly insane. If they wanted to use pulpy, retro images of female empowerment, why not show a pulp heroine beating up on gangsters or Nazis? Or, hell, since apparently the whole \"jungle\" angle is important, why not just use ANIMALS? Leopards and snakes and such were pretty standard threats in all those old jungle adventure stories, and they\'d fit the theme of the environment being the source of danger a lot better than human beings do.\r\n\r\nAnd, yeah, I ain\'t really seeing an \"ironic portrayal of racism\" thing happening in these images. The irony defense is not by itself illegitimate, but it has zero traction, here.\r\n\r\nJust fuckin CLUELESS. Amazing.\r\n\r\n(Hey, does this thing support [b]BBCode[\/b]? Or <b>HTML<\/b>? I hate using caps for emphasis.)'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Holy fuck. Yeah, that’s fairly insane. If they wanted to use pulpy, retro images of female empowerment, why not show a pulp heroine beating up on gangsters or Nazis? Or, hell, since apparently the whole “jungle” angle is important, why not just use ANIMALS? Leopards and snakes and such were pretty standard threats in all those old jungle adventure stories, and they’d fit the theme of the environment being the source of danger a lot better than human beings do.

And, yeah, I ain’t really seeing an “ironic portrayal of racism” thing happening in these images. The irony defense is not by itself illegitimate, but it has zero traction, here.

Just fuckin CLUELESS. Amazing.

(Hey, does this thing support [b]BBCode[/b]? Or HTML? I hate using caps for emphasis.)Reply – Quote

]]> By: Brenna http://brigidkeely.com/wordpress/?p=166&cpage=1#comment-706 Brenna Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:32:39 +0000 http://brigidkeely.com/wordpress/?p=166#comment-706 Dear God are people stupid. Fuck irony, all it does is attempt to cloud people's true feelings and is used as an excuse.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('706','Brenna'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('706','Brenna','Dear God are people stupid.\r\n\r\nFuck irony, all it does is attempt to cloud people\'s true feelings and is used as an excuse.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Dear God are people stupid.

Fuck irony, all it does is attempt to cloud people’s true feelings and is used as an excuse.Reply – Quote

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